Know your accts can be blocked

[cris4700]

Everyone should be aware of something many countries do to prohibit thier residents from accessing gambling sites. THEY BLOCK THEM!
One day you may find that all the sites you access are blocked. No way to access them. PERIOD!
I'm guess the Govt. has 95% of the website address on file. All they have to do is block access from USA soil. I can't access many sites when I travel in countries that prohibit gambling. With how hard ass they seem to be playing on this subject, I wouldn't be suprised to see it happen overnight here. What would you do if you had no ability to access balances or history with your offshores??

 

[xpanda]

If this were the route that the US gov't wanted to take, they would have done so by now.

They would be the laughing stock of the planet if they censored certain sites, especially in light of their criticism of those countries who do exactly that.

 

[wolfie_cr]

trust me that if there is a demand for something there will be a way to offer it

technology is quite advanced to allow bypassing filters, encryption/vpns/proxies/technologies like TOR...........

it would be an arms race......that they would never win (they=the people that want to censor you)

 

[cris4700]

New laws are not in full effect yet. Just letting people that don't realize that blocking access to sites is done worldwide. I didn't know it was so easy for a Govt. to block until recently. I would think 98% of people in USA aren't even aware at the ease it is done. Who knows if they will do it or not. Just be informed.

 

[wolfie_cr]

for technologically savvy people ..............it is pretty easy to circunvent whatever blocking measures are established

vpn/ssh tunneling/encryption/ssl/ssl proxies

All those terms would come into play should there be a need (and of course a will) for a customer to bypass blocks


of course this adds another filter ....that is how many people will be willing to use new technologies/read a little bit in order to access some sites? its another hassle like setting up ewallets was once upon a time

 

[HighFlyinKilla]

This program is all you need. It gives you a list of proxies from servers all over the world you can access. http://www.download.com/Steganos-Internet-Anonym-2006/3000-12771_4-10434432.html?tag=lst-0-1

 

[ICALL]

for technologically savvy people ..............it is pretty easy to circunvent whatever blocking measures are established

vpn/ssh tunneling/encryption/ssl/ssl proxies

All those terms would come into play should there be a need (and of course a will) for a customer to bypass blocks


of course this adds another filter ....that is how many people will be willing to use new technologies/read a little bit in order to access some sites? its another hassle like setting up ewallets was once upon a time

I've been discussing this with Salain in another thread. I'm a total noob when it comes to this, but I know someone has to be doing something like it. I spoke to someone today where English was a barrier but he agreed that someone could easily place something on a server to grab a password. He did say I'd be better of with a "reputable" company using a secure proxy server so other's couldn't do the same. The company doing this would still be able to, but not the wandering hacker.

This person also mentioned getting someone(web hosting company) to host a web page and then logging into the server and working from there. How would that work? Sounds kind of like what Salain was saying here:

The ideal solution would be to buy a VPS for the root privelages and set up your own proxy server on it. That way you get the best of both worlds - secure and fast with only 50ms of additional delay.

Again, understand I know nothing about this other than what I've read over the past few days.

I don't care if its a proxy server, leasing space on a private server, hosting a web page or "tunneling", I'm just researching options. Anyone with the technical know how want to chime in? Someone posted a link to a service that makes your IP address look like its coming from Europe.
Linky: http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=416657

Now that I'm re-reading that, it appears to be a proxy service. I don't care what "means" is being used(server, tunnel, software), I would just be interested in finding out if its possible to make an IP appear to come from another country. For academic purposes of course

 

[HighFlyinKilla]

Now that I'm re-reading that, it appears to be a proxy service. I don't care what "means" is being used(server, tunnel, software), I would just be interested in finding out if its possible to make an IP appear to come from another country. For academic purposes of course

http://www.download.com/Steganos-Int...ml?tag=lst-0-1 This program does exactly that. You can even get a serial number off the net and keep using the trial version. I've had it for over a year. It gives you list of proxy servers from all over the world to access.

 

[HighFlyinKilla]

This is the link for the full version. http://www.steganos.com/en/products/siavpn/overview

 

[wolfie_cr]

SSH tunneling is a technique that allows you to encrypt sessions between your computer and the destination server , NOONE will be able to inspect the packets and block them, you could be writing an email to your gramma or folding a horrible poker hand ......noone would know

that is one of the options .......they are not transparent to the user or easy to configure for an end user but I bet you that should there be the need ....the IT departments of books will assemble a fool proof procedure

proxies are transit points and as other poster noted.......traffic could be intercepted at end points and it could be an issue

TOR, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network) is another out in this case the information is encrypted between entry-exit point so information remains private

 

[ICALL]

Thanks for the info Killa. Someone has stated that "bad guys" place programs on these remote servers just waiting for someone like us to enter our password on a site. Then wham.

I'm told the server would have to be secure and be hosted by a reputable company because as someone else mentioned, encrypting won't work cause the sportsbooks wouldn't be able to decrypt the info anymore than a hacker.

 

[AdamSelene]

I doubt U.S.A. will ever block content on the Internet. Even though they don't care much for the constitution anymore (1st amendment), internet service providers are both private and in competition with one another, and ISP techs do believe in the constitution.

And it would be politically way too hypocritical given who much they nag other countries (China, Cuba) over network filtering/censorship.

In any case, for when you are traveling in locales with State run telco monopolies, it's relatively easy to figure out how to bypass blocking.

 

[Betallsports]

Hi

Great Info here, anyone here ever try these proxy servers ? Pros ? Cons ?

 

[AdamSelene]

Here's another potential option for those living very close to a border:

IP over Avian Carriers

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A homing pigeon can carry Internet Protocol traffic.

In computing, IP over Avian Carriers is the hypothetical carrying of Internet Protocol (IP) traffic by birds such as homing pigeons. IP over Avian Carriers was initially described in RFC 1149, a humorous Request for Comments document issued by the Internet Engineering Task Force that was written by D. Waitzman and released on April Fool's Day 1990. It is one of several April 1 RFCs.

On April 28, 2001, just over a decade later, IP over Avian Carriers was actually implemented by the Bergen Linux User Group. They sent 9 packets over a distance of approximately 5km (3 miles), each carried by an individual pigeon and containing one ping (ICMP Echo Request), and they received 4 responses. With a packet loss ratio of 55%, and a response time ranging from 3000 seconds to over 6000 seconds, IP over Avian Carriers seems unlikely to be adopted more widely as a data-link method on the Internet.

Waitzman described an improvement of his protocol in RFC 2549, IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service (April 1, 1999).

Pinging process

Script started on Sat Apr 28 11:24:09 2001
vegard@gyversalen:~$ /sbin/ifconfig tun0
tun0 Link encapoint-to-Point Protocol
inet addr:10.0.3.2 P-t-P:10.0.3.1 Mask:255.255.255.255
UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:150 Metric:1
RX packets:1 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0
RX bytes:88 (88.0 b) TX bytes:168 (168.0 b)

vegard@gyversalen:~$ ping -i 900 10.0.3.1
PING 10.0.3.1 (10.0.3.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=6165731.1 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=3211900.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=5124922.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=6388671.9 ms

--- 10.0.3.1 ping statistics ---
9 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 55% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 3211900.8/5222806.6/6388671.9 ms
vegard@gyversalen:~$ exit


Script done on Sat Apr 28 14:14:28 2001

Bandwidth comparisons

Advances in flash memory technology mean that data transfer over avian carriers may have advantages over traditional data transfer wherever high latency can be tolerated in exchange for high bandwidth, possibly as a sneakernet. For example, over a 30 mile distance a single pigeon may be able to carry tens of gigabytes of data in around an hour, which on a purely bandwidth basis compares very favorably to current ADSL standards, even when accounting for lost drives. However, even in the event that pigeons were to be used for such a purpose, it is unlikely that the Internet Protocol would be used.

External links

• Bergen Linux User Group's CPIC
• "Israeli pigeons faster than ADSL"

SRC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers

 

[royalfan]

i agree that it is at least a slight concern

 

[t2050]

proxify.com is good for quick searches

 

[da1prophet]

If this were the route that the US gov't wanted to take, they would have done so by now.

They would be the laughing stock of the planet if they censored certain sites, especially in light of their criticism of those countries who do exactly that.

Anti-online gambling zealot Jon Kyl, for example, has another pet project which basically serves to reprimand China and other countries that block access to Internet sites. He's a moron, but I'm sure even he can see the political firestorm this would bring about. "Jon Kyl wants to give citizens of China Internet freedom while denying Americans the same rights". The attack ad practically writes itself...

If the US wanted to block gambling sites it would be a HUGE precedent that would have a number of Constitutional implications. It would also bring a lot of people and organizations into the fight on our side that otherwise could care less about online gambling--the ACLU, the Internet Freedom Foundation, journalism and press professional groups, librarians and their organizations, academics and so forth. It's like the difference between picking on some average geeky guy on the street, and picking a fight with a Hells Angel. You may win the first fight, but when the other Hell's Angels start piling on you're screwed...

Worth considering that the US government has *never* blocked an Internet site of any sort for any reason, primarily for the reasons I cite above. Its a political and constitutional time bomb. If the government isn't going to block file sharing sites, kiddie porn sites, pro-Islamic facist and terrorist sites, pro-drug sites they're not going to block gambling sites.

Besides, as some of the posters noted its so easy to circumvent via proxy servers that the downside to the government far exceeds any marginal enforcement benefit.

Here's a story about Kyl seeking $60 million dollars from the US Budget to open a "Office of Global Internet Freedom". From the story I quote and add emphasis:

>>
The office would combat state-sponsored Internet jamming, censorship and persecution of online users. Similar legislation has been put forward in the House by California Congressmen Tom Lantos and Chris Cox.


Syria, China and several other nations have at times censored or blocked Internet access to Western media outlets and search engines. Those states also routinely monitor e-mails and have used e-mail evidence and Web postings to prosecute individuals for political dissent.
<<

Our government may be a little out of control at the moment with their desire to regulate our behavior, but they don't want to get in bed with the Syrians and Chinese....

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2002/10/07/daily61.html

 

[ICALL]

TOR, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network) is another out in this case the information is encrypted between entry-exit point so information remains private

I've read about this. You place the program on a USB flashdrive and just plug it in to anonymize the IP address. The question is would you be able to access neteller with this or does neteller require your IP address? I've heard others say neteller locks your account if they don't recognize the IP address.

On that subject, do any Canucks use Neteller or do you people just go back and forth between your bank?

 

[dickiesports]

wow

then why have they not shut down pedophile websites....illegal drug websites....come on.

 

[bulldog77]

Why have they not blocked payment methods to child porn sites,etc. but have to gaming sites? No limit to these peoples hypocrisy. Don't count on logic when dealing with overbearing fascists.